Shoot the Boer - lyrics - Zulu/English

**Comrade007** · 5th May 2011, 09:37 AM

Interesting take on one of my favourite Pink Floyd songs. Malema's saying the right things now (at least in court) , but can/will a Leopard change his spots? Here's an update about the current court case around this song:

Malema Cross-Examination Ends

Jenni O'Grady

Johannesburg — ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema ended the first leg of his hate speech trial by saying that if one farmer or farmworker was not killed through not singing lyrics that translate as "shoot the boer", it would have been worthwhile not singing it.

"Yes, if the song is causing death it (not singing it) was worth it to stop singing it," he said as TAU-SA advocate Roelof du Plessis put the last question of two days in the witness box to him.

But, outside the court, he was adamant that the right to sing the lyrics would go all the way to the Constitutional Court if necessary.

He told supporters who had watched the e.tv live feed on a big screen on the pavement, that neither farmers nor farmworkers should be killed.

"We are concerned about farmers who are killed on the farms," he said, with a large image of himself on the screen behind him.

"But equally so we are concerned about farmworkers who are killed on those farms," he said to murmurs of approval.

"The loss of life is a loss of life and therefore we must never celebrate the loss of life," he said.

Over the last two weeks the words "dubhula ibhunu" and their symbolic, literal and historic meaning have been scrutinised by witnesses from TAU-SA and AfriForum who brought the case against Malema, and the ANC.

The ANC has defended Malema's singing of the lyrics, four times in South Africa and once in Zimbabwe last year, with witnesses such as Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and poet and cultural expert Mongane Wally Serote explaining that they form part of a catalogue of songs used to galvanise people during the armed struggle against apartheid.

Their use in current times is not to be taken literally and is used as part of the ongoing struggle for equality and transformation in South Africa, the court has heard.

However, AfriForum deputy CEO and youth movement leader Ernst Roets has explained that he and the group's supporters find the lyrics threatening, particularly to minorities and with his understanding of the translation of the word "ibhunu", it poses a threat to the safety of Afrikaners and farmers.

On Friday Malema, who was trained to carry and use a gun by the age of 13, was adamant that this was not the case, adding that the isiZulu word for farmer was "umlimi".

He also denied a submission by Du Plessis that the lyrics were part of a greater plan to remove white farmers from their land.

Earlier Malema he told the court that the league had released a discussion document which proposed that land should be redistributed without compensation, because the current system of willing buyer, willing seller was not working.

He would not be drawn on repeated questions about whether this meant land would be taken from whites specifically.

According to the ANC's Freedom Charter, which he described as the Bible of the party, the land should be shared by all who work it in South Africa and the league believed that land owners would be open to discussion on parting with some of their land.

Asked by Du Plessis if that meant white people who did not agree would be put on trucks and taken away, Malema said: "That would be anarchic. That would be chaos."

The league did not agree with the way it was done in Zimbabwe, by war veterans under President Robert Mugabe's rule.

"He has done that, but the method is wrong," he said.

Asked whether the ANC Youth League was used by the ANC to get issues like nationalisation of mines going, Malema said that the league had a history of being a radical movement that made older members examine the possibilities of what they suggested.

Former president Nelson Mandela had done this and it was not because he was being used by the ANC, but because he believed in what he said.

Malema told the court that he felt that the two parties were moving closer over the issue of the lyrics and that they were open to unconditional dialogue outside of courts.

But AfriForum and TAU-SA said that the case should continue and dialogue could be a parallel process.

After Judge Collin Lamont, who Malema described as a "progressive" judge, adjourned the trial, ANC stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela said outside the court that she wanted to thank AfriForum for bringing everyone's attention to the country's future president.

"We thank AfriForum for bringing us here to baptise our president the future president of South Africa," said Madikizela-Mandela.

Asked what the best outcome of the case could be, AfriForum attorney Willie Spies told Sapa: "A better understanding".

http://allafrica.com/stories/201104220582.html

**Pietie** · 5th May 2011, 05:43 PM

Soos Winnie se: "Our future President".

**Comrade007** · 18th September 2011, 08:47 PM

So, Malema'a use of the song is hate speech, as far as South Africa's judiciary is concerned. The South African Press Association (SAPA) reports:

Shoot the Boer' Declared Hate Speech

12 September 2011

Johannesburg — Singing the words "awudubula ibhuna" (shoot the boer) and "dubula amabhuna baya rapyha" (shoot the boers, they rape) was outlawed on Monday --sparking joy as well as dismay.

Words were powerful weapons that could lead to disastrous actions, and even genocide, Judge Collin Lamont said in ruling that ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's singing of the song constituted hate speech.

He ruled that the Equality Act, which was used to have the words declared hate speech, did not only seek to prohibit conduct, but sought to open avenues of conciliation.

"Court orders must be strictly enforced and obeyed," he said in the High Court in Johannesburg, sitting as the Equality Court.

Civil rights body AfriForum brought the complaint against Malema, who sang the words at several events last year.

The ANC, which supported Malema in his court fight, said it was appalled by the ruling. AfriForum was "overjoyed".

Malema was not present for the judgment and his spokesman Floyd Shivambu would not say where he was.

Malema and Shivambu are part of a group of African National Congress Youth League officials who are in disciplinary hearings before the ANC at the moment for bringing the party into disrepute.

After Monday's judgment, someone in the public gallery muttered: "Oh well they might as well ban everything."

Outside court, and in a later statement, the ANCYL said it respected the courts and would study the judgment before making any comment.

During the trial, Malema said he did not sing the song in English.

However, in his ruling Lamont said the words had been translated in the media.

"If someone didn't know the meaning, it could sound like a lullaby," he said, commenting on Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane's rendition of the song.

Accompanied with hand gestures akin to holding a gun and a staccato performance, it was received differently.

He said those who chose to sing the songs had to develop new customs and pursue new ideals.

Less than 30 minutes after Lamont's judgment, a group of people outside the court sang the words with gusto, breaking off to also sing: "We are not scared."

AfriForum lawyer Willie Spies said: "We will first wait for the dust to settle. You can't gauge it 10 minutes after the judgment."

Reaction to the ruling was mixed, with political parties, unions and organisations either applauding or condemning it.

The Congress of SA Trade Unions said it was a "gross insult" to the country's past and the National Union of Metalworkers of SA (Numsa) decried the courts being used as a vehicle to re-write history.

Numsa spokesman Castro Ngobese said the union reserved the right pursue a political and legal approach in response.

The Social Movement Against Racist Tendencies (Smart) said it would immediately petition Lamont to provide the basis for his findings and would join any parties which intended appealing the case.

"Our legal team is already at work," said Smart's founding leader Panyaza Lesufi.

Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder joined AfriForum and other parties in celebrating the ruling.

"The contrast between the Mandela approach after 1994 and the Malema approach the past year, shouted out for an adjustment," said Mulder.

It was also a pity that the ANC had not dealt with matter before it was brought to the courts, he said

The Christian Democratic Party agreed the ANC should share some of the blame, as the party had gone "full out" to support Malema in the case.

CDP leader Theunis Botha said it was hoped the ANC would "make haste" in removing Malema as president of the ANCYL.

Afrikanerbond secretary Jan Bosman said he trusted that the ruling was the first step in curbing racism. Racism "in whatever colour and whatever form" had to be rejected.

The Congress of the People Youth Movement viewed the ruling as a warning that politicians were not above the law, while farmers' union TAU-SA said the judgment should be accepted.

"The time has come to stop fighting... and respect cultural groups and [different] races," TAU-SA president Louis Meintjes said.

**Comrade007** · 10th November 2011, 08:21 PM

So, Malema's been given the boot.....

http://www.mopanetree.com/content/17...th-leader.html

**Rafiki** · 18th February 2012, 06:49 AM

So Kurt Mauser and all other doubters. What now? ANC has dealt with the issue and called Malema to account. He has been disciplined. Can you now say this is sign that thugs do not always win? Maybe here's sign that democracy in SA is stronger than people think? Many questions sure but this has to be recognised as a positive thing.

**Comrade007** · 2nd March 2012, 11:38 AM

THe ANC's National Disciplinary commitee upheld its decision to expel Malema from the party and is sending a strong, unambiguous, clear message that it will not brook any indiscipline on the part of its members - a welcome development whichever side of the fence you may be sitting on regarding this matter. The hope now is that this will happen as a matter of principle, but kudos to the ANC for seeing this through:

"Comrades Julius Malema, Sindiso Magaqa and Floyd Shivambu were charged and found guilty of misconduct in terms of rule 25 of the ANC Constitution. The findings were confirmed on appeal and the National Disciplinary Committee (NDC) has heard evidence in mitigation and aggravation of sanction."

I see admin has posted the full statement here on the Tree http://www.mopanetree.com/content/13...-findings.html