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    Exclamation Jacob Zuma's Election: "Not this man, but Barabbas!"

    A small step forward for the ANC; a giant leap backwards for SA and the continent

    I cannot argue; it was democratic. I was a display of democracy at its rawest, at its most primitive, but it was democracy. It was the power of the great unwashed masses (call it the proletariat, if you want) over thinking South Africa.

    Of course, I am talking about the knock-out Jacob Zuma gave Thabo Mbeki at the ANC Sanhedrin meeting last night (Tuesday, 18 December 2007).

    It was not a simple win; it was a thrashing, a massacre – a defeat like the young Cassius Clay aka Mohammed Ali would give some wannabe pretender to the heavy weight throne in the days when he danced like a butterfly and stung like a bee.

    For South Africa and the rest of the continent that knock-out could spell unmitigated disaster!

    There is only one similar occurrence that I know of. That happened nearly 2 000 years ago in the country we today call Israel.

    The Jewish council of leaders, the ultimate decision-making body in the land of the Bible, had already decided. When there were two people before Pontius Pilate, he asked the crowd – the masses, the hoi-polloi of those years, the people who roamed the streets and had nothing better to do than congregate to watch proceedings at court – who they wanted, they shouted: "Not this man, but Barabbas!"

    This time the crowd also shouted (and actively voted): "Not this man, but Zuma!". Again, a man was chose whose reputation was (to put it very mildly indeed) not very savoury.

    Pure expedience versus honour.

    In both cases instant gratification.

    In both cases somebody can wash his/her/their hands and claim innocence.

    They (the crowd, the expedient) could not care that it takes building a strong foundation and a strong economy in order to be able to build thousand upon thousands of houses! They simply do not care that there was method behind what they considered to be Mbeki’s madness!

    They wanted houses and water and lights and a BMW and DSTV … and they wanted them NOW.

    No matter that the country could ill afford to spend the billions of Rand this would have entailed. Billions of Rands that could have made the South African economy the same parody of a functioning state as Zimbabwe currently is!

    Well, the deed is done.

    Now let us wait for the cataclysm to follow!

    It is just two years and a bit away before we will start to see the emergence of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

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    Default Re: Jacob Zuma's Election: "Not this man, but Barabbas!"

    appreciated. not a good news. still breaking news and news worthy

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    well said. Democracy has become synonymous with quantity and quantity alone. It is as if it is forbidden to find quality to go along with that. Eg. If some one is sick and a majority of stranger assemble to vote against medical care, then this will be denied in the name of democracy. Oneword please give the term for it. I know you know of the right term, for this is neither democracy nor pluralism. The rule of the people. People not animals rationalise for greater good, not for greater number. The proletarian one step forward and a mile backward syndrome?

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    Default Re: Jacob Zuma's Election: "Not this man, but Barabbas!"

    Phelakuti.

    In reply to your request. Sorry, no single answer, but a post I cut and paste from "African Crisis". I think it adequately covers what you wanted to know. Or not?

    The Stupidity of Democracy: 10,000 Idiots don't make 1 Genius...
    Date Posted: Thursday 20-Dec-2007

    There is a type of popular myth that is highly encouraged by the media and the establishment these days to the effect that when vast numbers of people get together to make a decision that somehow, their numbers make them more intelligent. The idea is that voting is like arithmetic. If you take 9,000 people of IQ 50, their collective wisdom will be the same as 4,500 people of IQ 100; or the same as 3,000 geniuses of IQ 150. So if you sum their IQs together, the net result seems incredibly impressive and we are awed by their numbers and we are awed by the fact that they must surely be right. History of course teaches us the opposite. In great leaders in the West, we find that one man can be right and everyone else can be wrong.

    The idea is that when LOTS of people decide on something, they must be right, not by virtue of their logic BUT BY THEIR NUMBERS. We assume that rationality and logic abounds when vast numbers agree on something.

    But that is junk. There have been many books written about MASS HYSTERIA and MASS DELUSION. If anything... the Masses can mislead each other and can encourage further madness and make insanity appear to be logical. Eventually, all the inmates of the Lunatic Asylum convince themselves and each other that they are completely right and logical.

    Another way of looking at it is to consider Mathematics.

    Should we have an election to decide whether: 2+3=5? What if the masses decide that 2+3=6? What then?

    When it comes down to logic and reason, history proves to us that its not what the masses think that is important or even relevant. It is what the one man thinks who has logically deduced the answer. It is not what the masses think about the subject of advanced mathematics. It is what Leonard Euler or Isaac Newton thought those matters. Only their viewpoints and the viewpoints of the Professors of Mathematics MATTER. Everyone else's viewpoint IS IRRELEVANT.

    True logic and true science has got nothing to do with numbers. It only has to do with the answer and whether the answer is right or wrong.

    So I ask the question: Do 10,000 idiots = 1 genius?
    The answer is NO!

    Here in S.Africa, for the last 60+ years, the ANC and the SA Communist Party have spread lies... COMFORTABLE LIES... EMOTIONAL LIES... based on ZERO LOGIC, but great EMOTIONAL ATTRACTIVENESS... into the minds of the blacks here. They have told them over and over again certain lies and certain twisted truths. These comfortable lies are part of their psyche.

    Logic and reason was driven out a long time ago. Blacks who were against this, were murdered and necklaced. The logical blacks were killed a long time ago.

    All that remains are the mad masses. Underneath the thin veneer of civilisation lies that dream... that dark hideous dream.

    I suppose it is a lot like The Lord of the Rings. That ring, the master ring, beckons, and few, if ANY can resist that ring and the lies it tells. Its lies are so sweet... It brings such comfort. Take that ring... take that ring of MADNESS and put it on your finger. It will make you FEEL SO GOOD.

    Logic and mediocre progress was too boring for them. The lure of the ring... and its beautiful, beckoning, totally unattainable lies, speaks to their corrupt hearts.

    So the COLLECTIVE (that old Communist term), finally got together and 3,900 decided the fate of the ANC and the fate of this country and of the future of the masses.

    They have lied to themselves, deluded each other and lied to each other until everyone FELT GOOD - until the lie FELT JUST RIGHT! Then they went and expressed their stupidity together, in TOTAL UNISON.

    But, they remain fools, each and every one of them. Individually, they're fools. And collectively they still are nothing more than a gathering of fools. What does one refer to a group of fools together as? A gaggle of fools? A herd of fools? Shall we invent a term? How about a Dunce of Fools then! A Morass of Morons..?

    But I welcome their stupidity. I welcome it because I have no desire to see them succeed, so I welcome their idiocy with open arms. The price one should pay for such gross stupidity should of course be death. To make stupid decisions on such a grand scale should of course be punished suitably, and the only appropriate punishment I can think that will be fitting is death. I hope they will get their just rewards in the not too distant future.

    Well??

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    My, my! I am impressed! One has brains AND he can cut and paste! Multi-skilled, what???

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    Default Re: Jacob Zuma's Election: "Not this man, but Barabbas!"

    One, this must be the single most truth I have seen this year, if not in my entire life!wow, what brains and logic you display, well I am officially impressed and would further, as humans tend to do, 'judge' your character on what kinda heart is fitted in yo chest. Else I believe that mostly in Africa, we do have a number of not so honorable presidents, kind of like to story of the naked king if you like. Zuma is not going to be the first mistake Africans make, and surely not the last. If one can just look across the border to Namibia, one can see a lot of 'honorables' which are far from honorables, who were given certain 'crowns' by the masses in the name of democracy and the majority rule crap syndrome. So far, of the modern day Presidents of Africa, I will single out Madiba....will reflect on the rest soon, if any can come even close to his calibre.

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    Red face Surely that would be it?

    If Mr. "take a shower to prevent HIV/Aids" is found guilty in his upcoming corruption/fraud trial surely that would mark the end of his presidential ambitions.... but then, politics in our part of the world is sometimes less concerned with what is right/wrong, good/bad but what is simply popular: http://www.theshebeen.org/justice-cr....html#post5586
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    Default Re: Surely that would be it?

    The trial - or whatever you will want to call it - is probably only taking place by about August. There is a quaint German/Afrikaans saying, which, translated, means "money that is dumb, rights things which are wrong" or words this effect.

    SA has learned a lot from the American and European politicians.

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    Default Re: Surely that would be it?

    See, even the South Africans have caught the Mugabe disease. They want to elect the worst man for the job!!!

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    Default Re: Jacob Zuma's Election: "Not this man, but Barabbas!"

    please, remember stupidity is not an environmental effect. it is genetic. it is inherited. it is congenital too.

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