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    Default Namibian Murder Rate vs War For Liberation Perspective

    Since discussions in the "Malema / Shoot the Boer" thread has gone off-topic, I have taken it upon myself to start a new thread to address some of the replies of this forum's resident "copy and paste" operator.

    Mie1, this is for your benifit. Since I know that you have difficulty replying in an intelligent fashion, rather relying on sweeping statements like "C-R-A-P" or "have you been smoking aap-twak", I would like to challenge you to reply with RESEARCHED and INTELLIGENT responses.

    I would thus like to challenge your leftist, anti white views with the following statement:

    MORE PEOPLE ARE KILLED IN AN INDEPENDENT NAMIBIA THAN DURING THE "WAR FOR LIBERATION"

    What?

    You heard me. Unlike some, I will now prove my point with more than just a "secretary's statement"

    Lets start with some "vital numbers"

    a) Death Toll for the Namibia War of Independence: 1966 - 1988 : 12800 dead

    b) Post Independece Murder RateAfrican Security Review Vol 9 No 4, 2000) 48 / 100 000
    That rate has declined somewhat, but is still borne out by the following statistic : (Namibian Newspaper)During 2003, 788 people were murdered - slightly more than 2002, when 768 people were killed.
    (This would imply a murder rate of roughly 40 / 100 000)

    Now, I am willing to go with the lower number, and then reduce it somewhat more to be on the safe side, and claim an annual murder tally of 750 for Namibia

    Lets look at the uncomfortable facts surrounding the above stats:

    a) The 12800 dead in the Liberation War, HOW MANY DIED IN SWAPO CAMPS LIKE LUBANGO, murdered on suspicion of being spies?

    b) The 12800 also includes SADF, SWATF, and SWAPOLCOIN deaths. The total for these forces are relatively insignificant ( Less than 1000)

    c) Despite points (a) and (b), The AVERAGE death toll for the 22 years of war is only 582 per year

    d) In just 20 years since independence, 15 000 Namibians were killed by their fellow countrymen, for reasons varying like Robbery, Drunkenness, Un-civilizedness etc.

    e) The rate at which people are killed in a Post Independence "Peacefull" Namibia over a 22 year period (same as liberation War) would be 18000....Compared to 12800 during the "war" by the "racist" and "opressive" "apartheid regime"

    What does that tell you about the current "regime" in power....

    I would like to add that in CIVILISED COUNTRIES the murder rate is as low as 1/100 000 - that means for 2 million people (like Namibia's population) the total murders per year would be 20 (compare: 750...)

    Since this thread was spawned by the Julius Malima hate speech songs, I would like to "entertain" you some more with the following comparison, regarding the rate at which White Farmers are murdered in South Africa:

    Lets start with a quick quote from Times Online: (My highlights)

    Death has stalked South Africa’s white farmers for years. The number murdered since the end of apartheid in 1994 has passed 3,000.
    .....
    The vulnerability felt by South Africa’s 40,000 remaining white farmers intensified earlier this month when Julius Malema, head of the African National Congress’s (ANC’s) youth league, opened a public rally by singing Dubula Ibhunu, or Shoot the Boer, an apartheid-era anthem, that was banned by the high court last week. (Times Online)

    Now, lets say Namibia had an average population of 1 200 000 for the period of the Liberation War, and lets discount SWATF/SWAPOLCOIN/SADF deaths, it would mean that 1 in 100 Namibians lost their lives over a 22 year period. South African farmers died at a rate of 7.5 in 100 over a period of 16 years. That would push the death rate to 10.3 in 100 over a 22 year period.

    THAT MEANS THE AVERAGE WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN FARMER IS MORE THAN 10 TIMES AS LIKELY TO DIE THAN THE AVERAGE NAMIBIAN WAS DURING THE "WAR FOR LIBERATION"...!!!

    Or, to put it in simple terms, the relative death toll would be 123 750 dead (compared to 12800....) if the white farmer population was as big as the black Namibian population during the "war" years.....

    Maybe these figures gives you some insight as to why Whites (both Namibian and South African) are left somewhat "uncomfortable" by the idiotic utterences by the likes of Malima and Nujoma, and why we are treating any "affirmative" action with the contempt it deserves, 20 years after Black Majority Rule...


    Now, I would like to know, what "war" of "liberation" are the uneducated fat cats in parliament always referring to ??????

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    Look, Kurt. a couple of quick thoughts in response to your post:

    * Let's not put Sotuh Africa in the same basket as Namibia. I don't know enoguh about the situation in SA. What I do know is that in Namibia farmers are not the target by criminals as they seem to be in South Africa.
    * It is undeniable that violent crime is a huge problem in Namibia and South Africa - actually the whole SADC. It is also undeniable that crime levels compared to other countries are very high indeed. We all know that, and it is regrettable as well as unfortunate and a real force undermining progress in our societies and economies. I'm sure every leader in the regino worth his/her salt will acknowledge this as well. But - and here I differe fundamentally with you - crime does not choose race, colour, creed, etc.. The victims of violent crime and murder come from all races.
    * Let's say all your points are valid. What then? What are you really trying to say? That it's all hopeless and that we Africans are just not able to live peacefully and are a violent bunch and that that's that and that whites are the victims of crime and murder? You see, I don't think anyone would disagree with you about problems crime and especially violent crime pose. Where I disagree with you entirely is how you try to paiont the picture: that its' one of race. It ain't. It's one of poverty, underdevelopment, desitution, opportunistic crime that turns violent and - let us not fiorget - a history under apratheidf which was inherently violent and brutal towarsd the majority of the population.

    More to come.....
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    Statistics used in this manner can prove all kinds of things. My favourite quote from before Independence is "how many people died building the Ruacana Hydro?" 71 Italians.

    Go figure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade_007 View Post
    a history under apratheidf which was inherently violent and brutal towarsd the majority of the population.
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    Exactly the point I tried to make. To this day whites have to suffer continious referrals to their "brutal" regime, while I just proved to you the regime AT WAR was less brutal than the current society AT PEACE.....

    Yet, it is considered standard to ALWAYS refer to "Apartheid Crimes" - no matter what the debate or shortcoming of the current government under discussion.

    Try to make a case AGAINST affirmative action, and see how long the debate can go on without referring to the Apartheid era, which came to an end quite literally DECADES ago....

    More to come.....


    PS: Mie1, why are you so silent? Normally jou cannot wait to paste a reply?

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    Maus!

    In due course. I don't want to spoil my weekend .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mie1 View Post
    Maus!

    In due course. I don't want to spoil my weekend .....

    Mie1,

    Had a good weekend?

    It is over now...............

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    LOL! It is not yet for me..

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    Koert,

    There is an ad on TV for the which the punchline is "Because you are worth it" -referring to some service, etc.

    I have decided that this punchline is NOT applicable in this regard!

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    Mie1,

    Dont worry, I understand.

    Not many people are able to out-debate me on a topic of my choice.

    And, not even with an extended long weekend at your disposal, could you find something to copy and paste in response......

    Maybe try to take a stand and actually write how you feel about this issue?



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    Muis,

    Carry on dreaming, brother of a different mother. Don't flatter yourself!

    I had better things to do over an extended weekend than let your puerile gogga maak vir baba bang ektremistiese spitsvondighede spoil anything.

    Simply put (if that is what is needed): It is just too much trouble. I usually get paid (well) to research and publish.

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