Thread: Namibia allow dual citizenship

Yea, then some Namibians no longer need to keep their other passport at a certain embassy

The only thing that will lose if people who hold dual citizenships are forced to make a choice is our country, because I think it is natural for people to let the chips fall where the risk is perceived to be lower.

In today's world without borders, and considering the small number of people who hold dual citizenships, it seems a waste of time to me to entertain the thought of changing the Constitution. It makes for populist politics, of course, so close to an election. But how about rather concentratimng on tackling the real challenges our nation faces, amongst them giving thousands of people valid birth certificates, driver's licenses, passports, ID cards..... another case of wrong focus and priorities if you ask me.

USA allow you to be a dual passport holder but EU countries like Swiss, Germany, Norway, Sweden, ect. does not allow dual passports or citizenship for the matter.

Namibia as seen by foreigners, forgive me patriots if it hurts, but they see Namibia as a zoo ... some say Opuwo is the cracker ... stone aged people ... that brutally beat the front teeth out with a hammer like tool, these foreigners mentioned.

Mayority of the people live on wurms for nutrition and change the name to "land scrimps" and "fein Kost".

People believe these crap

Hi pangkas,

althought it is not the topic of this thread, but just to clarify. Switerzland and Norway are not part of the European Union (EU) and Germany made the dual citizenshop law easier some 2 years ago. Under specific circumstances Germans can keep their German citizenship while getting a second one and every child born with at least one German parent can keep both citizenships and do not have to decide any longer at their 18th birthday.

Regards
Christian

Originally Posted by chtrede

Hi pangkas,

althought it is not the topic of this thread, but just to clarify. Switerzland and Norway are not part of the European Union (EU) and Germany made the dual citizenshop law easier some 2 years ago.

"Through the EEA Agreement, Norway and Iceland have already taken up 80 per cent of the acquis communautaire and Switzerland is taking an increasing amount of EU legislation.

For these three countries the EU remains an unavoidable player. This publication examines the performance of EFTA and EEA Agreement. As the EU develops, those institutions under which they operate become ever more inadequate, endangering democratic legitimacy." as Wallis sees it. Almost a three year old document.

Legaslation in Europe are fast, ever growing and to the point, even if it comes with risks, but these people take massive risks and in Africa, it take ages for nothing to happen.

Under specific circumstances Germans can keep their German citizenship while getting a second one and every child born with at least one German parent can keep both citizenships and do not have to decide any longer at their 18th birthday.

Regards
Christian

Well German law is fast, take a look at this :

Bundesverwaltungsgericht schafft Klarheit

EU-Ausländer können bei der Einbürgerung in Deutschland ihre Staatsangehörigkeit behalten, wenn auch ihr Land bei der Einbürgerung von Deutschen die doppelte Staatsangehörigkeit hinnimmt. Mit diesem Urteil entschied der 1. Revisionssenat des Bundesverwaltungsgerichts in Leipzig im April 2004 zu Gunsten eines griechischen Psychotherapeuten. Der Kläger hatte in Bayern seine Einbürgerung beantragt, wollte aber auch seine griechische Staatsangehörigkeit nicht aufgeben (BVerwG 1 C 13.03).

Many things have changed since.

The German law reform as stipulated in BVerwG " Mit dem Gesetz zur Reform des Staatsangehörigkeitsrechts vom 15. Juli 1999 hat der Bundesgesetzgeber in § 87 Abs. 2 des Ausländergesetzes (AuslG), im Hinblick auf das Ziel der fortschreitenden europäischen Integration eine spezielle Regelung getroffen: Bei Unionsbürgern wird nicht verlangt, dass sie vor der Einbürgerung in Deutschland ihre bisherige Staatsangehörigkeit aufgeben, wenn der andere EU-Mitgliedsstaat im Gegenzug bei Einbürgerungen von Deutschen ebenso verfährt.

We can always debate issues with open-endings such as above-mentioned.

Kind regards

pangkas

Just reading through this again begs the question, have we all understood the constitution is going to be changed anyway -after all 2/3 majority - why not add somethings that actually make a difference to a man/woman on the street?

Agree with Comrade. Seems easy to do and not really solving big problems. Catching small fish as they say.

The same issues is being discussed and deliberated in Zimbabwe at the moment, as this article in the government-owned The Herald indicates:

Zimbabwe: Allow Dual Citizenship - Mutambara

Harare — Zimbabweans abroad should be allowed to have dual citizenship so that they can plough back into the country and help market the country as a safe tourist destination, Deputy Prime Minister Prof Arthur Mutambara has said. Prof Mutambara said some Zimbabweans who left the country years ago had families in foreign countries and their children had become citizens by birth but were still Zimbabweans.

"We need to change our laws. Let's not force people to choose against their country. You cannot have all your citizens in the country even if the country does well there are some Zimbabweans who will remain in Japan or England.
"Let's use our people outside to attract foreign investment and invite tourists to Zimbabwe," he said.

Dep PM Mutambara, who was addressing delegates at the just-ended youth conference, said it was crucial to embrace those in the Diaspora so that they can help in the country's economic recovery programme.

"Let us also embrace our Zimbabweans outside who are doing good like Strive Masiyiwa and Mutumwa Mawere so that they can also contribute to nation building. "What has happened is history, yes bad things happen, let us now unite and stop victimising each other. Let us not throw away the baby with the (bath) water. We should sit down as brothers and re-engage," he said.

Dep PM Mutambara said in the long run Zimbabwe would not survive through handouts but by investments and public/private partnerships. It is estimated that at least three million Zimbabweans live outside the country as economic refugees with most of them in United Kingdom, Australia and

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"We need to change our laws. Let's not force people to choose against their country. You cannot have all your citizens in the country even if the country does well there are some Zimbabweans who will remain in Japan or England.

What are you thinking, why did we leave our countries of birth?

"Let's use our people outside to attract foreign investment and invite tourists to Zimbabwe," he said.

Use the gray matter between your ears for once, BEFORE YOU POST YOUR CRAP; Africans and many other under developed back-ward third world countries citizens simply leave THEIR countries because of the following reasons.:

political oppression

threatening and destroying of our basic freedoms and our way of life

conflicts that endangered human life
no democracey or civil liberty
fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism

corruption and ethnic strife
poor education
poverty

The list is ongoing ...

and for your information ... such conditions lead to terrorism, believe me or not.

"Let us also embrace our Zimbabweans outside who are doing good like Strive Masiyiwa and Mutumwa Mawere so that they can also contribute to nation building. "What has happened is history, yes bad things happen, let us now unite and stop victimising each other. Let us not throw away the baby with the (bath) water. We should sit down as brothers and re-engage," he said.

This is easier said then done. This conditions have nothing to do with dual citizenship.