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    Talking Xenophobia

    Is Namibia next?

    One can not help to be sceptic, but the writing is on the wall.

    It started in Zimbabwe, not to long ago ... xenophobia ... or beter ... strong xenophobic violence actions against foreigners. This storm has blow over to South Africa and might move on to Namibia.

    Are the Namibians prepared for this? Just one of my mystery thoughts

    What goes around, comes around.

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    I doubt Namibia will follow suit, we are known as hospitable and tolerant people when it comes to incomers, well the intolerance is rather higher among thy own kind than foreigners...example, Chines shop owners, very rude ones who never smile even when one buys from them are being respected even by our police( e.g. I would be unhappy with merchandise bought at their shop, go back and complain to them about it, and they can actually assault me and call the NAMIBIAN police on me, and the police take their side without any 2nd thought....jux an example of how lenient we are with foreigners...the other foreign group of idolized pips are Angolans, :-) )... so no, I don't think the storm will blow over to us ;-)

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    Talking Xenophobia ... will Namibia be the next country?



    yeah ... you right ... maybe one day some Namibians will go banana's ... and see how much the foreigners take away from them and the nice picture will change. Just be patient, I 've hardly been wrong with my predictions.

    The vulture is a patient bird, my grand dad use to say.

    Any rate, I do not give a darn, you know what I mean? Its not my problem, so why care about stupid and foolish people, after all ... this is Africa, live goes on even when blood flow on the streets, no one care, we're use to this sort of things.

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    Default Re: Xenophobia

    Xenophobia is not unique to our part of the world. But where it rears its ugle head, there are measures that can be taken to nip it in the bud, so to speak. Preemtive measures. These measures have to be decided on and put in place by the political leadership and public institutions along with the required resources.

    The situation in South Africa has been steadily developing over the years. It's the fact that no proactive, appropriate decisions and action were taken - as opposed to the wrong decisions - by the Mbeki led ANC Government that has led to the current sad state of affairs.

    In South Africa, Xenophobia is the result of a failure of leadership.

    Nooboy is saying that all foreigners should leave South Africa. Nobody is saying that no foreigners should ever come to South Africa. What people are saying is that is is OUT OF CONTROL. Border controls are insufficient; immigration policies are a shambles; corruption in the allocation of trading licenses is rife, etc... Given the poverty in SOuth Africa, this adds to the powderkeg, and it has just gone off....

    There are many observers and commentators who - in this instance - can rightly claim and say: "WE TOLD YOU SO MANY, MANY YEARS AGO". But, similar to the power situation, YOU CHOSE EITHER TO LOOK AWAY OR IGNORE WHAT WE HAD TO SAY.

    The fact that this is at the expense of the entire country, is regretabble.

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    I think it is possible. Its not something that happens obver night and Namibians should be careful not to pretend not to be bothered by the influx of foreigners in their country.

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    These very same "foreigners" protected our people and gave them sustenance in the bad old days .........................

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    Default Xenophobia bad, Mugabe's retribution worse

    (There you have it: Straight from the horses' mouths)


    HARARE) - Sheila Ndlovu was sweating profusely as she struggled with two bulging bags at the bus station in the Zimbabwean capital, Harare, while trying to get her three young children safely onto the coach bound for Johannesburg, South Africa.

    Finally settled, bags stowed and offspring seated, she breathed a sigh of relief. “This is it, I have made up my mind to go and join my husband, who works in South Africa. I have been sitting on the fence all along, then hoping the elections would usher in a new government, but now I have to provide a decent life for our children in South Africa."

    Zimbabwe's opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) won the 29 March election, but it took weeks, amid mounting post-voting violence, before the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission finally broke its silence and ordered a second poll for the presidential ballot.

    Ndlovu, an accountant, said she had little faith in a democratic solution to the country's political crisis, in which President Robert Mugabe and his supporters castigate the opposition as agents of imperialism who have hoodwinked the Zimbabwean people.

    Her husband, who is an engineer, found work two years ago in South Africa's booming construction industry, buoyed by the frenzy of preparing for the 2010 World Cup. She stayed behind to look after the children, but with Zimbabwe's economy disintegrating, squeezed by shortages and an inflation rate that has officially reached 365,000 percent, Ndlovu is now finally ready to join the exodus of professionals.

    “It no longer makes sense to go to work in Zimbabwe because the costs of transport, food and accommodation have gone beyond the reach of many," she told IRIN. "I am only too relieved to go to a country without food, water and fuel shortages."

    Ndlovu and her husband have joined the more than three million Zimbabweans - at least a quarter of the population - who have left the country to seek a better life. She said many of her friends, who had resisted quitting, had now taken a similar decision; the government's apparent determination to cling to power being the final straw.

    She was well aware of the rising tide of xenophobia in South Africa, underlined by the explosion of murderous violence over the past ten days that has targeted foreigners in Johannesburg, many of them Zimbabwean, but was not deterred.

    "The threats of xenophobic attacks pose less danger than the threats of persistent hunger, political violence and shortages of just about everything [in Zimbabwe]," was her wry comment. "As professionals, I am sure we can manoeuvre away from such attacks by living in certain [more upmarket] places. I would obviously not go and live in the townships because we would be sitting ducks."

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    Journalist Ivan Musiiwa, travelling on the same bus, is among scores of journalists who have been persecuted by the government for allegedly supporting the MDC. In 2006 he won a scholarship to study journalism at a South African university, but kept postponing taking up his place.

    “I want to live in my country, that's why I've been delaying my departure for South Africa. But the situation appears to be getting worse, especially with the escalation of political violence. Journalists are no longer safe. Despite the upsurge in xenophobic attacks in South Africa, I am going to improve my knowledge by doing more studies, while I watch political developments in my country from the sidelines.”

    Musiiwa is not taking any chances with the welfare of his wife and children. “I have spent a fortune in ensuring that my children and my wife have passports and visas for South Africa. As a journalist I have been around the country since the elections and I've seen for myself the scorched earth policies, in which houses and livestock have been burnt while people have been murdered, tortured," he told IRIN.

    “People, especially known or perceived MDC activists and independent journalists, are being abducted and tortured or jailed. I don’t want my family to experience that,” he said.

    Another professional, Sithandekile Dube, a university graduate and teacher at an upmarket government school, said she had been forced to flee to Harare from Mutoko, in northeastern Zimbabwe, because of the retribution being meted out by ruling party militia and soldiers.

    “Teachers, most of whom were election officers, have become targets of political violence after they were accused of ‘rigging’ elections in favour of the MDC. Scores of teachers have fled from the countryside after they were threatened, attacked or had their homes set on fire.”

    She told IRIN teachers were abandoning their posts across the country. “In the rural areas, [ruling party] ZANU-PF supporters regard teachers as enemies and suspect them of supporting the MDC. I have found a teaching post in South Africa and I have no hesitation in taking it up." Her husband, a civil servant, is expected to join her soon with their two children.

    “It is unfortunate that because of political immaturity in my country I now have to take my skills to a foreign country, South Africa, when I would have wanted my fellow citizens to benefit from my knowledge,” Dube added.

    The secretary general of the Progressive Teachers Union of Zimbabwe, Raymond Majongwe, told IRIN that many schools, especially in countryside, no longer had teachers. "Zimbabwean mathematics and science teachers are in demand in southern Africa and many have fled to South Africa, Botswana, Swaziland and Mozambique.”

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    Default Re: Xenophobia

    Maybe one should mention that the whole issue may not be related only to "xenophobia", but, to a large degree, also "Epistemophobia" and "Phronemophobia" ........................


    And, maybe, that mysterious dark, "third force" ....................

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    Default Too little, too late?

    Here's Thabo Mbeki's take on the xenophobia sweeping South Africa. I thought the part where he says that South Africans are coming out to help the affected is very positive, and the only hope the country has of moving forward again. South Africans have shown this resilience in the face of a difficult situation before, and I hope they'll rise to it again:

    Many of our people, black and white, have come out to condemn this barbarity, offering food, shelter and clothing to those affected. We commend and thank all these patriots and appeal to them to continue their good work, to reject and isolate the criminals in our midst and extend a hand of friendship to our foreign guests who are nothing more than our fellow-human beings.
    The other encouraging sign is that they intend to not only aopprehend but also prosecute the looters and vigilantes. If that happens, and people are called to account for their actions that can also only be a good thing:

    Everything possible will be done to bring the perpetrators to justice. Last week, we approved the deployment of units of the South African National Defence Force immediately after we received this request from the Ministry of Safety and Security and the South African Police Service.
    http://www.theshebeen.org/governance...html#post22241
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    you mean the same one's that "helped" the South Africans also?

    look at the Chinese, they were two some years ago (not so long ago) now they have special China towns in Namibia. Selling every where cheap stuff, and get the building tenders for big jobs as if this is going to be out of the fashion soon.

    i think its time to join hands with big brother from another country and put certain issues straight. you know what i mean?

    any one that believe things will stay the way it is? do not forget, not so long ago we went up north to fight the enemy that reigns now with an iron fist. we who fought them, have not forgotten because we are the one's who suffer today.

    we'll never give it up ... a luta continua a victoria e certa ... esta mos juntos ...

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