Thread: Shoot the Boer - lyrics - Zulu/English

Originally Posted by Comrade_007

There are many tolerant, open-minded and truly democratic individuals in every party who recognise and respect the role that whites continue to play in our society. They need to be engaged and respected just as much as the intolerant, racist comrades need to engage their democratic compasses.

You are right in this regard. We have a name for the "tolerant, open minded and truly demaocratic" swapo party members in Namibia. We call them the RDP....

HOWEVER, if you remain tight lipped over your party leader's racist remarks, it brands you as a coward, or you are in silent agreement with those statements.

I dont have a problem with racism per se. As a matter of fact, I believe that it is NEEDED to some degree to forge a strong cultural identity. What I do have a problem with is hippocrates. Them donkeys that consider it racism only if committed by a white against a black. The truth is, the level of racism by blacks toward whites is FAR greater at this stage.

I also have a problem with especially young children being brainwashed by public media and skewed curriculae in school where whites are always portrayed as the eternal villians, and blacks the eternal victims. This corrupts the minds of young people, who then grow up to commit crimes against whites because they "deserve" it.

Apartheid ended 2 decades ago. At least, the kind of apartheid committed by white against black did. The reverse kind, though, is alive and flourishing....

Mauserli,


You argumentative powder is wet and it sounds more and more like a damp squib!

Looks to me like South Africa really has to make an effort to move on. It's a pity this has gone so far, but now that it has let the courts decide and then respect the call. Both sides are obviously playing with fire.

ANC to challenge 'shoot the boer' ban

JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA Mar 27 2010 06:33

A high-court ban on the words "shoot the boer" was met with mixed reaction on Friday.

While the African National Congress was shocked at the ruling and vowed to challenge it in the Constitutional Court, the Afrikanerbond and Freedom Front Plus welcomed it.

The South African Broadcasting Corporation reported on Friday that the Johannesburg High Court had ruled the use of the words "dubul' ibhunu [shoot the boer]" was unconstitutional and unlawful.

Delmas businessman Willem Harmse had applied for an urgent interdict to prevent his colleague Mahomed Vawda from using the words on banners and singing them during a planned march against crime.

Hate speech or symbolic killing of apartheid?
While Harmse argued that the words perpetuated hate speech and incited hatred, Vawda contended that they referred to the symbolic killing of apartheid.

The ANC, which reportedly intends appealing against the judgement, expressed astonishment at the court's failure to approach it for input on the history and purpose of the struggle song Ayesaba Amagwala [The Cowards are Scared].

The song's lyrics include the words: "aw dubul' ibhunu [shoot the boer] 'a magwala [the cowards are scared] dubula dubula [shoot shoot]".

'Erasing history'
The ANC believed that, had its input been sought, the court would have reached a different conclusion.

Earlier this month, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe cautioned against "systematically erasing history", and said the interpretation of the song had been "vulgarised".

"It's an old struggle song. Anybody who relegates it into hate speech today ... I will regard that as a serious attempt to erase our history. If you try to erase the history through courts, that would be unfortunate to the country."

Complaints have recently been laid against ANC Youth League president Julius Malema with the Equality Court and the SA Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) over his repeated singing of the song in public.

'Malema never part of the struggle'
The Freedom Front Plus viewed the ANC's contention that the words be seen in the struggle context as "totally unacceptable".

"Mr Malema was nine-years-old when [former president Nelson] Mandela was freed. He was never really part of the 'struggle'. If he sang the song today, it has to be judged in the context of 2010 and the fact that farmers are being killed weekly," the party said in a statement.

The Afrikanerbond now wants the SAHRC to decide whether the song constitutes incitement to violence and hate speech.

Its chief secretary Jan Bosman said it hoped the ruling was "a first step in forcing politicians to think about pronouncements that create the potential for conflict". - Sapa

It's reported that in Zimbabwe Malema has just been given a rousing heroes welcome by Robert Mugabe’s Zanu-PF. The “Kill the Boer” song was apparently sung in his honour. Then, after addressing a rally of 2000 Zanu-PF youth Malema said: “In SA we are just starting. Here in Zimbabwe you are already very far. The land question has been addressed. We are very happy that today you can account for more than 300000 new farmers against the 4000 who used to dominate agriculture. We hear you are now going straight to the mines. That’s what we are going to be doing in South Africa.

“We want the mines. They have been exploiting our minerals for a long time. Now it’s our turn to also enjoy from these minerals. They are so bright, they are colourful, we refer to them as white people, maybe their colour came as a result of exploiting our minerals and perhaps if some of us can get opportunities in these minerals we can develop some nice colour like them.”

Mie1,

Originally Posted by Kurt Mauser

I also have a problem with especially young children being brainwashed by public media and skewed curriculae in school where whites are always portrayed as the eternal villians, and blacks the eternal victims. This corrupts the minds of young people, who then grow up to commit crimes against whites because they "deserve" it.

Your reply to my post was as follows: "Mauserli,


You argumentative powder is wet and it sounds more and more like a damp squib!"

Now look at the high profile murder of AWB leader/founder Eugene Terre'blanche in the context of my post........

Do you see where my argument is going? This is just another "normal" farm attack (if there is such a thing as "just a normal" murder !!) However, the high profile of this particular case forced it into the world media. It may not have been a crime committed as a DIRECT result of Malima's racist song a few weeks ago, BUT it is a result of the continued "villification" of the white minority. Things like "whites stole our land" and "whites steal or resources" and the complete blowing out of proportion the scale of "apartheid atrocities" all forge a deep resentment against whites.

To the point where a simple wage dispute by 2 workers, 1 who was born in SA under ANC rule, the other only 5 years old at the time, (and thus they could not carry a "historical grudge") is solved by the beating to death of an old man.

If my argumentative powder seem wet to you, it may be the result of you trying to look the other way rather than face the reality and truth of my argument.

On a bad day I see history repeating itself and the paralells withh what's happened here in Zim are for all to see, or not? Ball is in the court of thhe ANC to demonstrate here and now what it relly stands for, and what it is not prepared to tolerate otherwise the SA will take a plunge down the abyss. This is a really good comment on what's happening:

The Oxford Concise defines a double standard as a rule or principle applied unfairly in different ways to different people. The Wonkie Concise defines it as most things race related in South Africa.

It’s ok to sing songs like Shoot the Boer about murdering white people and claiming it to be part of a rich cultural heritage – after all it’s part of South African history and South Africans need to remember it. However, it’s not ok to leave street names like Hendrik Verwoerd because that is clearly not part of South African history.

Call a white man a monkey and it’s funny, call a black man an ape and it’s a violently racist Human Rights offence.

It’s ok to bonk your buddy’s daughter or have unprotected rumpy-pumpy with multiple partners, provided you take a shower of course – because the diversity of South African culture gracefully allows for such behaviour. But make sure to ditch the traditional leopard-skins and don the flash Armani suit with the power tie when visiting the Queen or begging for money from the evil Western Imperialists.

Where is the consistency in all this? For the sake of the Easter Bunny, can’t South Africans just agree to take the positive aspects of the past and move the country forward with that?

The choice to do so now however is quite rightly a BLACK prerogative. Sadly, non-black South Africans can jump up and down in anger complaining of atrocity but in reality it means very little. The tables have turned and it’s now the black man’s turn to make an oddly familiar decision: make the same mistakes (quite simply because he is in the position to do so now); or be the proverbial bigger man. Wonkie bets on history repeating itself, but it would certainly welcome losing this hand.

http://www.wonkie.com/2010/04/06/shoot-the-boer/

Dando1,

You dont really need to participate in this debate. ( Not meant in a negative way)

The reason is simple: You LIVE the hypothises we DEBATE about. You have to endure the "fruits" of a "senseless" democracy every day. You have gone full circle, WE ( SA and Namibia) are still on the wheel of life, heading for earth...(Zimbabwe??)

Thank you for trying. Unfortunately the world at large, and our governments in particular, hear what you have to say (maybe..) but they definately DO NOT listen to you and those like you.

Sad reality is, Zimbabweans managed to escape hunger and deprivation in the worst way because of relatively "wealthy" neighbors - SA in particular. Where are SA economic refugees going to go if the SA circus goes the Zim route??

Hang on, Brother, you wil not have to edure that useless despot of a leader for long. He is old, and even Imperialist Medicine will not make him immortal.

ANC will call Malema to order and do the right thing. Malema is too big for his boots and can do too much damage even with all the support he's got with the young people of South Africa.

Looks like you are spot-on, Rafiki. I just came across this on News24, a major South African online news publisher owned by NasPers. If anyone knows what is gonig on in Government circles, they should. We've already heard how many ANC people are not happy about what is going on, but are unwilling or unable to speak up and speak out, primarily in order to protect their own skins and political backyards.

But has the damage already been done? Is this only putting the genie back in the bottle, I wonder? Good thing, though that Zuma and Mantashe are appearing to act decisively and reigning him in. I think there seems to be broad agreement emerging in the ANC's upper echelons that this story has gone too far. Malema, Zuma, the ANC, South Africa is attracting the wrong kind of attention internally and externally, never mind the real potential for conflict and violence. One thing I keep wondering about is the role played by Mugabe and ZANU-PF in all of this; the meeting with Malema; the comments on the sideline. Why now, so close to the World Cup?

We already have the British media frothing at its mouth about panga-wielding gangs roaming the streets which is, of course, a whole lot of baloney. Talk about one-sided, unbalanced, unobjective gutter journalism and racist propaganda and there you have it. But the Europeans fall for this sort of crap that confirms their fears and stereotypical thinking about Africa, and it is going to keep people away as sad as it is. Are there forces in the region at work that are egging on the radical elements in the ANC or am I imagining things? I can just imagine some of the conversations in Windhoek, in Harare, Luanda, etc. about the new hero Malema. I've posted another artical by the state-owned Sunday Mail in Zim (ZANU-PF through and through) and you can see a thread emerging?

Zuma, Mantashe muzzle Malema
2010-04-06 23:55

Cape Town - Julius Malema is no longer allowed to sing the words "shoot the boer" in a controversial struggle song, the ANC said on Tuesday.

He is also not allowed to make any statements about murder victim Eugene Terre'Blanche or do anything provocative.

Gwede Mantashe, secretary-general of the ANC, confirmed to Beeld on Tuesday night that he and President Jacob Zuma met with the ANC youth league leader.

"I've just come from Ma¬hlambandlopfu (Zuma's official residence in Pretoria), where I told Malema to refrain from making inflammatory statements. He is also not allowed to sing the song ("Ayesab' amagwala") in its entirety," said Mantashe.

"There will be very clear outcomes regarding Malema after our conversation with him. People will be able to see the result. The ANC and the youth league will restrain him."

He said if singing the words "shoot the boer" is leading to polarisation in society, the ANC will put a stop to it.

However, only the ANC can make such a decision and only after internal discussions, "because it is we as the ruling party who are leading society".

"However, we are convinced that a political solution, as opposed to a legal one, will provide a holistic solution.

"I'm no protector of Malema, but the irritation he causes and the problem... needs to be isolated and solved," said Mantashe

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthA..._muzzle_Malema

Malema: Shaking the world at 29

By Kuda Bwititi

OUTSPOKEN, fearless and courageous! These are the words that best describe African National Congress Youth League (ANCYL) president Julius Sello Malema.

The firebrand youth leader arrived in Zimbabwe on Friday to a rousing welcome from scores of people at the Harare International Airport. Business at the airport was almost brought to a standstill as travellers and people from all walks of life scrambled to catch a glimpse of Malema, who has shaken South Africa and perhaps the rest of the world with his gallantry.

The airport reverberated into song and dance as youths sang the revolutionary song Ayesab’ amagwala/Dubul’ iBhunu (Cowards are afraid/Kill the Boer), sending a strong message to the South African judiciary which banned the song. That Malema decided to spend his entire Easter holidays in Zimbabwe is a clear statement that he shares a profound connection and a common vision with President Mugabe.

But who is Julius Malema and how has he managed to scale political ladders in South Africa and send tremors to proponents of neo-imperialism and neo-apartheid all over the world?

Born on 3 March, 29 years ago, in the Limpopo province to a domestic worker mother, Malema’s political career is remarkable as he began participating in ANC activities while he was nine years old.

Malema says he started receiving military training when he was 13. Malema was elected the youth league chairman in his township at 14. In 1997, he became the chairman of the Congress of South Africa students for Limpopo province and was elected national president of that organisation in 2001.

He was then elected ANCYL national youth chairman in 2008 after a tightly contested poll in Bloemfontein. Over the years Malema has made several statements which have endeared himself to proponents of economic emancipation but in the process has created many enemies.

In 2009, Malema was likened to President Mugabe by several media organisations after he accused new opposition party COPE of wanting to “sell the country to British colonialists”.

He has also publicly called for the nationalisation of mines in South Africa. Following the appointment of Gil Marcus, a white woman, as Governor of the South African Reserve Bank, Malema complained that “minorities” ran what he defined as the “economic cluster” in the South African cabinet.

He noted that key cabinet portfolios that had a lot to do with South Africa’s treasury and investments were led by the minority class. He has called Democratic Alliance president Helen Zille an “apartheid spy, colonialist and imperialist”. The predominantly white-owned, white-controlled but black-fronted media in South Africa has sought to portray Malema in negative light.